Hi all,
I need to obtain .cn and .hk domain names to protect our brand name.
Can anybody direct me to a reputable reseller in Europe or US.
Netbenefit, (where I usually register domains) don't seem allow
registration of these suffixes.

Thanks all.
Sparticle.

Sparticle wrote:

>I need to obtain .cn and .hk domain names to protect our brand name.
>Can anybody direct me to a reputable reseller in Europe or US.
>Netbenefit, (where I usually register domains) don't seem allow
>registration of these suffixes.

For a list of over 200 of them, do a Google search on this term

[ "domain registration" aero am asia at be bz ca cc ch cn coop de dk es fm fr hk hn in it jobs la li md me mobi museum name nl nu sc se tv us vc ws ]

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22do...+tv+ us+vc+ws

(Here is the same info with line breaks. You need to make the
query and URL into single long lines)

Search Google for:
[ "domain registration" aero am asia at be bz ca cc ch
cn coop de dk es fm fr hk hn in it jobs la li md me mobi
museum name nl nu sc se tv us vc ws ]

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22do...ration%22+aero
+am+asia+at+be+bz+ca+cc+ch+cn+coop+de+dk+es+fm+fr+ hk+hn+in+it
+jobs+la+li+md+me+mobi+museum+name+nl+nu+sc+se+tv+ us+vc+ws


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In alt.www.webmaster on Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:36:45 +0100, Sparticle
<all@sea.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I need to obtain .cn and .hk domain names to protect our brand name.

It's perfectly possible that your brand name is already used
legitimately in China or Hong Kong by other people. They may even have
been using it longer than you.

> Can anybody direct me to a reputable reseller in Europe or US.
> Netbenefit, (where I usually register domains) don't seem allow
> registration of these suffixes.

Unless your company has offices in China and Hong Kong, I can think of
no reason for you to have any .cn or .hk domain names.


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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:19:25 +0100, Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid>
wrote:

>In alt.www.webmaster on Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:36:45 +0100, Sparticle
><all@sea.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I need to obtain .cn and .hk domain names to protect our brand name.
>
>It's perfectly possible that your brand name is already used
>legitimately in China or Hong Kong by other people. They may even have
>been using it longer than you.
>
>> Can anybody direct me to a reputable reseller in Europe or US.
>> Netbenefit, (where I usually register domains) don't seem allow
>> registration of these suffixes.
>
>Unless your company has offices in China and Hong Kong, I can think of
>no reason for you to have any .cn or .hk domain names.

and a website in chinese....

Peter J Ross wrote:
>
>Sparticle <all@sea.com> wrote:
>
>> I need to obtain .cn and .hk domain names to protect our brand name.
>
>It's perfectly possible that your brand name is already used
>legitimately in China or Hong Kong by other people. They may even have
>been using it longer than you.
>
>> Can anybody direct me to a reputable reseller in Europe or US.
>> Netbenefit, (where I usually register domains) don't seem allow
>> registration of these suffixes.
>
>Unless your company has offices in China and Hong Kong, I can think of
>no reason for you to have any .cn or .hk domain names.

I can.

If your product has potential and a unique name, you may want to
grab up that name in many domains just so someone else doesn't
do so and pretend to be your official representative. You don't
see microsoft letting microsoft.cn or microsoft.hk go to someone
else. If you know that your company is about to introduvce a
new and unique name like Exxon, buying that name in all domains
is cheap insurance.

to the OP; whole grabbing productname.hk and productname.cn,
consider grabbing productnamesucks.com just so that nobody
else can.


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<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:08:43 +0000, Guy Macon
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:

>
>
>
>Peter J Ross wrote:
>>
>>Sparticle <all@sea.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to obtain .cn and .hk domain names to protect our brand name.
>>
>>It's perfectly possible that your brand name is already used
>>legitimately in China or Hong Kong by other people. They may even have
>>been using it longer than you.
>>
>>> Can anybody direct me to a reputable reseller in Europe or US.
>>> Netbenefit, (where I usually register domains) don't seem allow
>>> registration of these suffixes.
>>
>>Unless your company has offices in China and Hong Kong, I can think of
>>no reason for you to have any .cn or .hk domain names.
>
>I can.
>
>If your product has potential and a unique name, you may want to
>grab up that name in many domains just so someone else doesn't
>do so and pretend to be your official representative. You don't
>see microsoft letting microsoft.cn or microsoft.hk go to someone
>else. If you know that your company is about to introduvce a
>new and unique name like Exxon, buying that name in all domains
>is cheap insurance.
>
>to the OP; whole grabbing productname.hk and productname.cn,
>consider grabbing productnamesucks.com just so that nobody
>else can.

We where too late, our brand name has been taken by someone
else in china and now they are presenting themselves as a company
selling products in the same retail sector. There seems to be nothing
one can do to combat this form of brandname/company piracy...

I wonder what would happen if somone in china bought macdonalds.cn
and opened a bunch of shops selling burgers in Beijing....They have
lots of clout so it will be stopped.

If you are not as big as that, you have no recourse.

I think this kind of domain/brand name stealing is disgusting...

Is there anything that can be done about cyber-squatting? The .eu has
been grabbed and squatted on also...


Sparticle.

Sparticle wrote:
>
>Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
>
>>If your product has potential and a unique name, you may want to
>>grab up that name in many domains just so someone else doesn't
>>do so and pretend to be your official representative. You don't
>>see microsoft letting microsoft.cn or microsoft.hk go to someone
>>else. If you know that your company is about to introduvce a
>>new and unique name like Exxon, buying that name in all domains
>>is cheap insurance.
>>
>>to the OP; whole grabbing productname.hk and productname.cn,
>>consider grabbing productnamesucks.com just so that nobody
>>else can.
>
>We where too late, our brand name has been taken by someone
>else in china and now they are presenting themselves as a company
>selling products in the same retail sector. There seems to be nothing
>one can do to combat this form of brandname/company piracy...
>
>I wonder what would happen if somone in china bought macdonalds.cn
>and opened a bunch of shops selling burgers in Beijing....They have
>lots of clout so it will be stopped.
>
>If you are not as big as that, you have no recourse.
>
>I think this kind of domain/brand name stealing is disgusting...
>
>Is there anything that can be done about cyber-squatting? The .eu has
>been grabbed and squatted on also...

Actually you are wrong. There is a lot that you can do if you
know how. Lets start with the basics; what domains do you own
and what domains does someone else own that you want? (you
should have no problem revealing this, having already grabbed
all the open domain names that you want.) Next, what is the
trademark and/or servicemark status of your brand name in the
various countries that you are targetting? I can't advise
you without knowing the details of your case.


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<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:12:09 +0000, Guy Macon
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:

>
>
>
>Sparticle wrote:
>>
>>Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
>>
>>>If your product has potential and a unique name, you may want to
>>>grab up that name in many domains just so someone else doesn't
>>>do so and pretend to be your official representative. You don't
>>>see microsoft letting microsoft.cn or microsoft.hk go to someone
>>>else. If you know that your company is about to introduvce a
>>>new and unique name like Exxon, buying that name in all domains
>>>is cheap insurance.
>>>
>>>to the OP; whole grabbing productname.hk and productname.cn,
>>>consider grabbing productnamesucks.com just so that nobody
>>>else can.
>>
>>We where too late, our brand name has been taken by someone
>>else in china and now they are presenting themselves as a company
>>selling products in the same retail sector. There seems to be nothing
>>one can do to combat this form of brandname/company piracy...
>>
>>I wonder what would happen if somone in china bought macdonalds.cn
>>and opened a bunch of shops selling burgers in Beijing....They have
>>lots of clout so it will be stopped.
>>
>>If you are not as big as that, you have no recourse.
>>
>>I think this kind of domain/brand name stealing is disgusting...
>>
>>Is there anything that can be done about cyber-squatting? The .eu has
>>been grabbed and squatted on also...
>
>Actually you are wrong. There is a lot that you can do if you
>know how. Lets start with the basics; what domains do you own
>and what domains does someone else own that you want? (you
>should have no problem revealing this, having already grabbed
>all the open domain names that you want.) Next, what is the
>trademark and/or servicemark status of your brand name in the
>various countries that you are targetting? I can't advise
>you without knowing the details of your case.

So there is a way of dealing with cyber-squatting originating in
another country?? The guys who has our .com and .eu told us to $%#%*
off..

That was just in Germany....Let alone the what the Chinese say who
have even less by way of ethic.

S

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:45:57 +0100, Sparticle put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>So there is a way of dealing with cyber-squatting originating in
>another country?? The guys who has our .com and .eu told us to $%#%*
>off..

Are you sure he's cybersquatting? Maybe he actually has an
organisation that uses that name in Germany and wants to have the
appropriate domain name for its website.

>That was just in Germany....Let alone the what the Chinese say who
>have even less by way of ethic.

If you register your name as a trademark in other countries then you
can usually take action against people using that name as a domain
name in those countries. If the name has already been trademarked by
someone else in those countries, though, then they have the right to
use it there and it would be you who would be cybersquatting if you
tried to register it there.

Part of the reason why there are multiple TLDs, particularly the
ccTLDs, is that it's very common for different organisations in
different countries to share the same name. Take, for example,
budweiser.cz, budweiser.de and budweiser.com - three entirely
different companies in three different countries, but all with the
same name. Similar situations apply to a lot of corporate or
organisational names that are derived from placenames or surnames -
there's a heck of a lot of small businesses in Scotland called
"McDonalds", or variants of it!

Mark
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Sparticle wrote:
>
>Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
>
>>Sparticle wrote:
>>>
>>>Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If your product has potential and a unique name, you may want to
>>>>grab up that name in many domains just so someone else doesn't
>>>>do so and pretend to be your official representative. You don't
>>>>see microsoft letting microsoft.cn or microsoft.hk go to someone
>>>>else. If you know that your company is about to introduvce a
>>>>new and unique name like Exxon, buying that name in all domains
>>>>is cheap insurance.
>>>>
>>>>to the OP; whole grabbing productname.hk and productname.cn,
>>>>consider grabbing productnamesucks.com just so that nobody
>>>>else can.
>>>
>>>We where too late, our brand name has been taken by someone
>>>else in china and now they are presenting themselves as a company
>>>selling products in the same retail sector. There seems to be nothing
>>>one can do to combat this form of brandname/company piracy...
>>>
>>>I wonder what would happen if somone in china bought macdonalds.cn
>>>and opened a bunch of shops selling burgers in Beijing....They have
>>>lots of clout so it will be stopped.
>>>
>>>If you are not as big as that, you have no recourse.
>>>
>>>I think this kind of domain/brand name stealing is disgusting...
>>>
>>>Is there anything that can be done about cyber-squatting? The .eu has
>>>been grabbed and squatted on also...
>>
>>Actually you are wrong. There is a lot that you can do if you
>>know how. Lets start with the basics; what domains do you own
>>and what domains does someone else own that you want? (you
>>should have no problem revealing this, having already grabbed
>>all the open domain names that you want.) Next, what is the
>>trademark and/or servicemark status of your brand name in the
>>various countries that you are targetting? I can't advise
>>you without knowing the details of your case.
>
>So there is a way of dealing with cyber-squatting originating in
>another country?? The guys who has our .com and .eu told us to $%#%*
>off..
>
>That was just in Germany....Let alone the what the Chinese say who
>have even less by way of ethic.

What part of "I can't advise you without knowing the details of
your case" and "what domains do you own" are you having trouble
understanding?

Please answer the following questions.

What domains do you own?

What domains does someone else own that you want?

What is the trademark and/or servicemark status of your brand
name in the various countries that you are targetting?

Again I tell you, Nobody here can give you good advice without
knowing the answers to the above questions.


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